Then there are things that have come up since last night, like certain girls have been DMing me to tell me he was in their DMs and stuff like that. That tells me you still have a lot to learn and that that’s on you and not me. I know how amazing I am and what I have to offer, but the fact that he sits here and tells me on the phone that he’s going to take this time to really work on himself and that he’s not going to go out and then turns right back around and lies to me… that’s clearly not my problem. That’s your problem.

That’s exactly right. When I was watching last night, I also felt like he was saying, “You’re way too good for me and I don’t know what to do about it.”

That’s an evasive answer.

Exactly. Although you are much too good for him. So, in terms of former Bachelor Contestant Maria, have you spoken to her and do you know if she and Devin have ever met?

No, I have no idea what happened. I don’t plan on caring about any of it, but the day after the breakup, it was painful enough for me to think, “Okay, that’s another sign that you clearly don’t care about me.” That’s all I needed to know.

I wanted your brother to jump out of the audience and go after him.

I’m surprised my brother didn’t do that.

And what was it like during the commercial breaks? Did Devin say anything to you?

Oh, it was so embarrassing. He was like, “Why aren’t you looking at me? Can you just look at me?” And I was like, “No, you don’t deserve me to look at you. You don’t deserve that. I’m not giving you any time right now.” So yeah, it was embarrassing.

I’m glad the producers at least told you in advance that they were planning to show the proposal, but did you ever consider stepping back and leaving the stage during the broadcast?

In my head I was thinking about it. I was like, I don’t know if I’m comfortable being so emotional in front of so many people. I think I was struggling with the question: should I just run off the stage or is this going to be a bigger scene? But when the tears started I thought: oh, this is going to be dramatic if I just run away, so maybe I’ll just sit here? I was just struggling with myself and didn’t know what to do in that moment.

You handled it wonderfully, but I just felt for you. Did you happen to talk to Jeremy afterward?

No, I haven’t spoken to him yet.

His reaction on camera when you criticized him for going to the club with Devin was pretty amazing.

That’s funny. I didn’t see it. I mean, I didn’t rewatch any of it, so I don’t know how he reacted to it. Yeah, I can’t imagine. Probably pretty funny. Hey, I have nothing against Jeremy. Jeremy doesn’t owe me anything, so I don’t have any ill will toward him.